Info-Atari16 Digest Sun, 2 Feb 92 Volume 92 : Issue 61 Today's Topics: Ack! My STe is dying! (dead?) (3 msgs) AmigaFS Anti-flamewar proposal. Atari is advertising?!?!!!!! changing steprate? Does anyone know... HELP WANTED in handling forms !!!! Hermes 1.00 via FTP Is there a CPX to ... low-level formatter wanted MIDI MIDI out to audio Modula-2 SIMMs or SIPPs ST's memory architecture STOS 3D TOS 1.4 ROM problem Uniterm manual WANTED: List of good Atari Desktop Publishing Software (2 msgs) why not PostScript Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 31 Jan 92 09:21:11 GMT From: mcsun!uknet!mucs!logitek!alanh@uunet.uu.net (Alan Hourihane) Subject: Ack! My STe is dying! (dead?) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu atilghma@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Adam Tilghman) writes: >Ack! I'm having serious problems with my STe system. If anybody >could offer some wisdom, I would appreciate it! > <<>> >My Hardware: > > Atari 520STe (w/ TOS 1.62, bought in August 1991) - 4MB of RAM > ICD Host Adapter (original model) + Seagate ST1096N drive > DEKA PC Keyboard Adapter (w/ keyboard) > SM124 Mono Monitor > Does anybody recognize these problems? I think they're serious >and there's NO WAY that Atari's going to take back my computer under >warranty :-(... Eek! Well, I am also having major problems, I have an 520STFM with ICD adapter (ICD Plus + clock), with two ST1239N (Seagate 204MB), and one of them is reporting Sense $44 which is internal controller failure, yet when the drive warms up it works(this may take 10-15 minutes). Can anyone help as this is my boot drive which is failing... Alan Hourihane email: alanh@logitek.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: 1 Feb 92 06:39:34 GMT From: fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_Retelle@uunet.uu.net Subject: Ack! My STe is dying! (dead?) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Adam Tilghman writes: >Ack! I'm having serious problems with my STe system. If anybody >could offer some wisdom, I would appreciate it! >Symptoms: ... Based on the symptoms reported, I'd try a good memory test program (MEMTEST.PRG from Supra is a good one) and see if the memory is OK. One fairly simple thing to try would be to (carefully) remove the memory SIMMs and reinstall them. (Be careful of the little plastic tabs that lock the SIMMs in place) Incidentally.. how do you like the DEKA adapter..? I tried 4 different IBM style keyboards, and only one would give me cursor keys, and that one had to be unplugged when booting, or the system went nuts.. what kind of PC keyboard are you using..? BobR ------------------------------ Date: 1 Feb 92 22:14:01 GMT From: network.ucsd.edu!sdcc12!sdcc13!atilghma@ames.arpa (Adam Tilghman) Subject: Ack! My STe is dying! (dead?) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <53783@cup.portal.com> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes: >Based on the symptoms reported, I'd try a good memory test program >(MEMTEST.PRG from Supra is a good one) and see if the memory is OK. Where could I get such a thing? I have the "memtest" that's available on atari.archive, and everything checks out OK. Before I moved to San Diego I never had to deal with static electricity - and I'm thinking that I might not have grounded myself once too many times... >One fairly simple thing to try would be to (carefully) remove the >memory SIMMs and reinstall them. (Be careful of the little plastic >tabs that lock the SIMMs in place) I tried this, as well as pressing down on all four socketed chips inside my computer... I'm afraid that if I have to replace a chip, it might be a bit expensive because they're all sufrace-mounted. >Incidentally.. how do you like the DEKA adapter..? I tried 4 different >IBM style keyboards, and only one would give me cursor keys, and that >one had to be unplugged when booting, or the system went nuts.. what >kind of PC keyboard are you using..? I haven't really had any problems with the DEKA, except for the occaisional spurious mouse click, probably due to my overly-long keyboard cable... I just went down to Fry's (the local potato chips/memory chips retailer) and bought a M-Tek K104 keyboard (it has the nice AT layout). For a while I was using an original IBM PC-AT extended keyboard, which was _heaven_, but unfortunately I was only borrowing it :-( >BobR -- ==== Adam G. Tilghman - atilghma@sdcc13.ucsd.edu - (619)558-2141 ==== == "Martha, fetch my rifle - thar's another UCSD ECE undergrad!" == ------------------------------ Date: 30 Jan 92 10:19:34 GMT From: hpfcso!hpfcmdd!hpbbrd!clausb%hpbbrd.HP.COM@hplabs.hp.com (Claus Brod) Subject: AmigaFS To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu >Perhaps you are right when you look at single sectors, but i think if i can >read track by track, that would be enough to build up a AmigaFS The WD1772 is not designed to read track by track in a way you would expect it, i.e. the results are not reliable. So without hardware extensions, you won't ever be able to read Amiga disks with a 1772. No way. --clausb@hpbeo79.bbn.hp.com---------------------------------------------- Claus Brod, MDD, HP Boeblingen Things. Take. Time. (Piet Hein) --#include ---------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 1 Feb 92 17:52:16 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!apple!portal!cup.portal.com!Azog-Thoth@arizona.ed u (William Thomas Daugustine) Subject: Anti-flamewar proposal. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I read in this thread about how holding the right mouse button down will allow you to launch a program whos folder is not on top. Neat, but one minor complaint... This is effectivly the same thing as doing under MS-DOS: C:/> a:/foo In other words, if foo needs a startup config file, which probably lives on a: with foo.[exe|com], it wont find it... I did this with UniTerm. I had something in A: and UniTerm in B: which was on the bottom folder, but it couldnt find uniterm.set... OH well Billy D'Augustine Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com ------------------------------ Date: 31 Jan 92 03:45:41 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!linac!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!ohstpy!miavx 1!cpbuehrer@arizona.edu Subject: Atari is advertising?!?!!!!! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu HEY! I just got the latest issue of Discover magazine and there's a way spiffy cool double page spread advertisement for Atari...nifty, eh? --Dennis also known as... | HELLO, I'm a signature virus! krambdej@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu | Join in the fun Cogito cogito, ergo cogito sum. | and copy me into yours! ------------------------------ Date: 1 Feb 92 20:55:00 GMT From: mcsun!news.funet.fi!sunic!lth.se!newsuser@uunet.uu.net (David Hultgren) Subject: changing steprate? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have connected a HD-drive to my mega-2, it works perfectly but I need to change the steprate from 3 to 6 ms. (I use a copy prg. to do that now but I want to do it in a easier way). I dont know where to tell the ST to change it. The only way I have found is to send it with EVERY level 1 command to the fdc. there MUST be an easier way to do this! In short, I am looking for a adress similar to $440 but that also is read by the OP/FDC ------------------------------ Date: 30 Jan 92 17:44:14 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!utorvm!ryerson!eeng6801@rutgers.rutgers.edu (THE WALKING SPIRIT) Subject: Does anyone know... To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu You may try to contact them on IRC (International Relay Chat). I know that most members of Delta-Force (Daniel, NewMode, Jerker...) and also some German ST programmers (I've seen the person that did NeoChrome Master & the person that did SYSMON.PRG (I don't remember names)). They're usually on 4-6PM local time (German & Sweden) therefore from N.A. is usually good to try at 9.30AM ==================================================================== | " Competence, like truth, beauty and = Carlos J. C. Varela | | a contact lens, is in the eye of the = EENG6801.RYERSON.CA | | beholder." = Fnet Node: #18, #38 | ==================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: 29 Jan 92 08:47:00 GMT From: mcsun!sun4nl!sara5!amccca!kuykens@uunet.uu.net Subject: HELP WANTED in handling forms !!!! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi there, Twice I have been trying to develop a shell as an interface to a TTP program I am working on. Twice I bumped onto the same problem. I use a form defined in a source file to perform user interactions . I have two problems : 1. How can I handle an edit field, i.e. how do I set and get the string's value ? 2. The form_do seems to work OK for buttons and switching between edit fields. However, when I stand in an edit field characters entered on the keyboard do not appear in the field. ALso, in some cases I am not allowed to place the cursos beyonf a certain position in the editline. I DID set the text template to allow to fill the complete box. Could anybody give me a hint on this issue ? I would appreciate some example code which would illustrate the solution. If possible please send responds through e-mail. I do not read this news item regularly. thanks, Hans Kuykens ------------------------------ Date: 31 Jan 92 05:10:20 GMT From: mcsun!unido!mcshh!malihh.hanse.de!pfunk.hanse.de!blackbox@uunet.uu.net (Michael Kistenmacher) Subject: Hermes 1.00 via FTP To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello everybody, I have some good news for all of you, who like to use HERMES (The UUCP software) on their ATARI ST. Version 1.0 is now available via ftp on the following sites in germany: > >ftp.fu-berlin.de: >/pub/atari/tools/hermes100b.tar.F > >ftp.uni-stuttgart.de, (=rusvm1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de): >/soft/atari/hermes/* > (the whole distribution disk)) > >ftp.thp.uni-koeln.de: >/pub/atari/communication/hermes-1.00.zoo > >ftp.uni-kl.de: >/pub/atari/hermes-1.00.zoo.high Have fun......Michael -- /------------------------------------\ | Michael Kistenmacher / blackbox | | 2000 Hamburg 61 / Schippelsweg 64 | | West Germany / ++ 49 40 552 37 66 | \------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ Date: 1 Feb 92 12:09:44 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!urmel! tornado!icemark!sigrorn@arizona.edu (B.E.Heinen) Subject: Is there a CPX to ... To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello, I'm searching for a few CPXs for my ST. - The first should be a cpx that does the same thing as DJ_ON.TOS does... - the next one should be able to transmit some settings to my Deskjet (i.e. set top/bottom/left/right borders, font style/size/quality,...) - the last I'm searching is a cpx to do same same as xlock on XWindow- machines (lock-screen and wait for passwd). It should be able to auto- matically continue its work even after a reset or the next power-on. Yours Benedikt -- ============================================================================= Benedikt Eric Heinen, Matthiashofstr. 3, W5100 Aachen, Germany Voice: +49-241-408592 icemark!sigrorn@tornado.gun.de ------------------------------ Date: 1 Feb 92 09:25:00 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Shep pard@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard) Subject: low-level formatter wanted To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1992Jan31.150421.15680@ousrvr.oulu.fi> costello@tolsun.oulu.fi (Antti Jarvinen) writes: > I have a SH205 hard-drive controller with Seagate ST251 drive. I attached > the Seagate to my *nix-box (Convergent miniframe) and initialized it in > order to make it work with my *nix and yes, it worked fine, but Atari ST > with SH205 cannot handle the disk any more. I tried to format it with > HDX3.02 and I got a couple of bombs. I guess that Convergent > low-level formatted the disk in a way that ST doesn't understand. What > I now need is a low-level hard-disk formatter for ST/TOS. Where can I > find one? > > > -- > Antti Jaervinen > costello@tolsun.oulu.fi Yes you have it, its called HDX 3.02...:-).. -- *** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz *** *** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 *** *** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, *** *** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe *** ------------------------------ Date: 1 Feb 92 18:16:10 GMT From: agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!nosc!crash!pnet01!trag@ames.arpa (Jim Trageser) Subject: MIDI To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I'm writing yet another Atari story for San Diego's ComputorEdge magazine, and am trying to get a feel for what the most popular software/hardware (keyboards, et al) set-ups are with Ataris. Also, any comments on why you use an Atari for your MIDI rather than a PC or Mac. (I'm not a MIDI user; more DTP and WP than anything else, so bear with me. . . .) As in the past, I will e-mail a copy of the story to everyone who respons (and yes, I know I still owe those who helped with the History of Atari a copy, which I'll get out in the next couple of days.) Thanks again, Jim Trageser UUCP: {hplabs!hp-sdd ucsd nosc}!crash!pnet01!trag ARPA: crash!pnet01!trag@nosc.mil INET: trag@pnet01.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 30 Jan 92 14:10:04 GMT From: hpfcso!hpfcmdd!hpbbrd!jensk@hplabs.hp.com (Jens Kilian) Subject: MIDI out to audio To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu / hpbbrd:comp.sys.atari.st / Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com (William Thomas Daugustine) / 6:16 pm Jan 21, 1992 / > Hi. I am interested in a hopefully easy way to take the stuff that > I record via MIDI on my STe, and somehow pump it thru the STes > stereo audio out. Anyway I can do this without buying stuff like > expensive digitizers? > > Thanx > > Billy D'Augustine > Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com > ---------- Try SMS Synthesizer. In case you can't get it in the US, I can post it to a.a.u.e (if I can find a way to get the files from my ST onto my workstation, that is). In short: SMS Synthesizer emulates a six-channel (4 tone & 2 percussion channels) synthesizer on an ST. It can be used to integrate MIDI songs into your programs (check out OXYD, SPACOLA or MIDIMAZE 2 if you want to see examples). It works on an ST, there's *no* special support for the STe DMA sound. The program is free, but the module that's built into an application is not. You can get it from SMS's author for DM 40,- . Stay tuned ... Jens Kilian ------------------------------ Date: 1 Feb 92 03:03:42 GMT From: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!uwm.edu!rpi!news-server.csri.to ronto.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!daily-planet.concordia.ca!agostino@ames.arpa (Agostino Deligia) Subject: Modula-2 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello, Does anyone know of a good pd or shareware Modula-2 system for the ST? Has anyone used (or is using) the Modula-2 package found on atari.archive (modula2.zoo)? If so, are there any serious bugs? Any info appreciated. Please use email. I'll summarize if enough interest. -- Agostino Deligia agostino@concour.cs.concordia.ca It was the best of .sigs, it was the worst of .sigs... ------------------------------ Date: 1 Feb 92 09:30:39 GMT From: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!ac trix!Roger.Sheppard@ames.arpa (Roger Sheppard) Subject: SIMMs or SIPPs To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1992Jan31.162143.5115@btcase.bt.co.uk> pete@btcase.bt.co.uk (Pete Harris) writes: > I have an Atari 1040 STE. > > Is there any way of finding out whether my machine has SIMMs or SIPPs > *without* having to take it apart? > > > -- > -----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > Peter Harris | "The sun struggles up another beautiful day > usenet: pete@btcase.bt.co.uk | And I felt glad in my own suspicious way ..." > | - Elvis Costello Yes use a Xray machine, you can find them in Hospitals and Airports..:-).. -- *** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz *** *** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 *** *** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, *** *** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe *** ------------------------------ Date: 31 Jan 92 23:43:30 GMT From: noao!ncar!hsdndev!wupost!sdd.hp.com!caen!garbo.ucc.umass.edu!dime!michael@arizo na.edu (Michael Kieras) Subject: ST's memory architecture To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <92031.130201ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET> ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET writes: >In article <1992Jan30.201329.11788@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, carter@cae.wisc.edu >(Carter Gregory) says: >> >>Well, for those of you who DID run, MS Word 5.0, you probably already >>have had this feeling for sometime now that the ST is for the first time, >>unable to use MultiFinder effectively with 4 megabytes of memory. > >Well. Simply buy a memory expansion board. You can go up to 12 megabytes >and more on a standard ST. Could someone post information about memory expansion boards that go beyond 4 Meg? I'm interested in all aspects; technical, price, ease of installation, whether they will work in US machines, etc. Thanks, Michael Kieras michael@cs.umass.edu ------------------------------ Date: 1 Feb 92 19:32:21 GMT From: apple!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_Retelle@ames.arpa Subject: STOS 3D To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I haven't read much about STOS 3D... can someone give a rundown on its features...? I'm particularly interested in the "3D" features.. are we talking about "perspective" effects or true binocular vision effects..? Thanks... BobR ------------------------------ Date: 31 Jan 92 23:02:47 GMT From: mcsun!uknet!pyrltd!mwuk!tony@uunet.uu.net (Tony Mountifield) Subject: TOS 1.4 ROM problem To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Help! I have just bought a set of six TOS 1.4 ROMs amd tried to install them in my old 520STM (not STFM). They don't work :-( The ROMs were labelled H0 H1 H2 L0 L1 L2. The original ROMs were not. Looking at my circuit, it appeared that they should go in the following sockets: U2 = H0, U3 = H1, U4 = H2, U5 = L0, U6 = L1, U7 = L2 where U2 is sort of under the F1 key, and U7 is under the left shift. Is this correct? When switching on, nothing happens, except the keyboard LED comes on and the screen goes white. I guess the processor has halted. Just in case, I tried it with the H and L sets swapped, although I didn't try a different order. No change. i certainly didn't damage the computer, because putting back the original ROMs works OK. To check that the ROMs are likely to be the correct ones, could someone dump out the first 16 bytes of each pair, so I cam compare? Thanks in advance for any assistance. Tony. -- Tony Mountifield | Microware Systems (UK) Ltd. INET: tony@microware.co.uk | Colden Common, WINCHESTER, SO21 1TH. UUCP: ...!mcsun!uknet!mwuk!tony | Tel: 0703 601990 Fax: 0703 601991 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ** Any opinions are mine, not Microware's - but you knew that anyway. ** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: 1 Feb 92 22:18:55 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!tamsun!tamuts!n160ao@arizona.edu (MarkLehmann) Subject: Uniterm manual To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1992Jan30.124317@cs.utwente.nl> vreeken@cs.utwente.nl (Maarten Vreeken) writes: > >Hello, > >Does anybody know if there is a postscript version of the Uniterm manual >and if so how to obtain it. > >Thanks, > >Maarten Vreeken (email: vreeken@cs.utwente.nl) Since the Uniterm manual is in LaTeX, it should first be run through the LaTeX macros for TeX to convert it to a dvi format. After this, the dvi file should be converted to postscript with the "dvips" program available on the atari archive. Then simply print the post script file. I don't have a postscript printer or "dvips" otherwise I would have converted it for you. Mark Lehmann tamuts.tamu.edu!n160ao ------------------------------ Date: 1 Feb 92 18:16:09 GMT From: agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!nosc!crash!pnet01!trag@ames.arpa (Jim Trageser) Subject: WANTED: List of good Atari Desktop Publishing Software To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu PageStream is an excellent DTP program; very good at importing graphics (including scanned photos) and it's HP compatible. UUCP: {hplabs!hp-sdd ucsd nosc}!crash!pnet01!trag ARPA: crash!pnet01!trag@nosc.mil INET: trag@pnet01.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 1 Feb 92 20:42:36 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!chaph.usc.edu!news@arizona.edu (Robert A Jung) Subject: WANTED: List of good Atari Desktop Publishing Software To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu If you can get it, the February issue of AtariUser magazine (free!) has a balanced comparison of PageStream and Calamus. (I don't own either) --R.J. B-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send mail to rjung@usc.edu Any time, any place, any game -- Lynx Up! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Babs: "I'd be terrific! Colossal! Stupendous! Mediocre even!" Aide: "You are applying for the position of President of the United States?" --Buster's Guide to Part-Time Jobs, TINY TOON ADVENTURES ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1992 20:52 EST From: CSULLOGG@crl.aecl.ca Subject: why not PostScript To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu One netter asked why applications like Calamus did not support PostScript. Well from someone who has used Macs with LaserWriters and '486s with JetScript cards my only answer is "Why should Calamus go to a slow technology when its output to the SLM804s and SLM605s is so bloody fast?" Hey, if you want to do production DTP, the TT/Calamus/SLM pathway is the best, fastest and by far CHEAPEST!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************